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    #16
    nice nice. Hoffentlich wirds kein Fail nur weil Valve dick Kohle verdienen will. Aber da es schonmal komplett wie DotA sein wird denke ich es wird gut.

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      #17
      stifler postete
      plazmapowle postete
      Wird sicher was kosten. Allein die Beteiligung von Icefrog kostet Valve schonmal nicht schlecht, dazu dann noch die ganzen Designer..
      Das glaube ich wohl kaum
      Icefrog hatte doch bisher schon ohne Bezahlung an Dota gearbeitet, deswegen wird er nun von Valve auch keine 20k im Monat verlangen.

      Was ihm viel Geld gebracht haben könnte, ist das Weitergeben der Copyrights, falls darauf überhaupt welche waren.
      Für Dota gibt es auch keinen, der ihn bezahlt hätte.
      Laut dem bekannten Post, wollte er von Riot nen 6 stelliges Gehalt und nen Posten in der Firma haben, dafür, dass er an Lol mitarbeitet (was dann wohl vom Unternehmen abgelehnt wurde). Von S2 ist er auf jeden Fall bezahlt worden.
      Wenn Valve.Dota wirklich nen oldsql Dota mit neuer Engine wird, dürfte es Hon ziemlich sicher ersetzen, Lohl wohl eher nicht, da das ne andere Zielgruppe hat. Gerade bei Valve sehe ich jedoch die Gefahr, dass es am Ende nen Casualgame a la CSS, L4D 1/2 wird.

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        #18
        cs source engine...gnarf. das wird schlimm.

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          #19
          capi postete
          cs source engine...gnarf. das wird schlimm.
          Weil ja alle Spiele mit Source-Engine automatisch scheisse sind, man denke nur an Half-Life 2, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Alien Swarm und Co! ALLES SCHROTTSPIELE! TOTAL!

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            #20
            Zu dem, was ich vorhin schon geschrieben habe:


            Spoiler: 
            Spotted: A sort of recap of something we already knew and then some. "The Truth" Another Icefrog article from an insider source at valve.

            The Truth


            I am an employee at Valve. I do work on an unrelated project from IceFrog, but I have many friends who work with him on a daily basis. This blog is the culmination of what I have learned about IceFrog, also known as Abdul Ismail, directly from people who are currently working with him. Their names will stay anonymous for their sake and mine. You might want to ask why I am posting this. Why do I risk me and my friends's jobs? The answer is that ever since Abdul has joined Valve, he has been poisonous to the company. He is incredibly hard to work with, absolutely impossible to talk to in person due to a complete lack of social skills, and easily holds the most unpleasantly domineering work personality of anyone I have ever met. This is not just my opinion, but the opinion of almost everyone I know who has come in contact with him. Abdul's project is not only becoming one of the most controversial inside the office, but one of the most controversial outside. He is taking the company in a direction I thought we would never head in because he demanded unparalleled control and for some reason was granted it.

            What is most interesting about Abdul is that he is a compulsive liar. When he was hired, none of us knew about his past. In fact, we were all on the assumption that he had made it thus far on his own. Several of us silently questioned how he could've devoted so much time after graduation to a hobby despite there being a giant hole on his resume, but we knew that he was an eccentric character, and assumed that he was being supported by his family. It was not until Riot Games's Steve Mescon, also known as Pendragon, made his infamous blog post on www.dota-allstars.com that the truth began to come out. Everyone here assumed it was a very dirty marketing scheme by the Riot Games guys, or even that S2 Games and Riot Games were making up stories to discredit us. In fact, our legal team had previously sent infringement notifications to S2 Games over their usage of what we believed to be IceFrog's content. I was told that S2 Games was asked to remove all DOTA content altogether, and that because of this, we would have the rights to DOTA content.


            A lot of us had sensed that there was something fishy going on from the beginning. We scoured the internet for any evidence that would implicate Abdul. Eventually, we found it on a HON blog. The process is incredibly easy, and you can replicate it yourself.


            Search for "Abdul Ismail" on Google.
            The 8th result is for MyLife.com. Click it.
            Scroll all the way to the bottom of the page.
            Click on Abdul Ismail Bellevue, 27.


            Voila. Or in the words of Kudo Tsunoda, BAM, there it is. We found that that Abdul lived in:


            New Bedford, MA: very close to his alma mater
            Rohnert Park, CA: where S2 Games is located
            Bellevue, WA: where we are


            As if that were not evidence enough of foul play, a professional DOTA player who claims to be in the know revealed this also replicatable piece of information.


            Go to http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php, a site that tracks campaign donors.
            Under employees, search for Marc DeForest, who is the owner of S2 Games.
            You will find Abdul Ismail employed as a programmer under Marc DeForest.


            In a process unrelated to mine, Abdul was eventually confronted about his hidden past by the Valve higher-ups. We found out that not only did he lie about DOTA, but he lied about his involvement with both Riot Games and S2 Games. As I said at the start of this blog, you can go to www.dota-allstars.com to brush up on that history. This is the equivalent of the CEO of McDonald's (DOTA) looking for a job at Burger King (Riot Games), then working for Fatburger (S2 Games), then quitting and going to work for Wendy's (Valve) but outright lying to Wendy's of his involvement with ANY previous employer, despite the fact that he had contributed to a significant chunk of development with each company. In the corporate world, this would be the equivalent of stealing trade secrets. But instead, this is the game development business, and the rules are not so established. What upsets me most, and the ultimate reason I am writing this, is that any ethical company would have dropped Abdul right here and reconsidered their options. We are not doing that, and instead are pushing ahead with full force. Sorry guys, but the truth has to come out sooner or later.


            EDIT: Now that the Game Informer article has been released, you can see the extent to which Valve is willing to protect Abdul. Let me ask you this, Gabe. If Abdul were the renaissance man as you claim he is, why is Erik leading the project? Even Erik betrays himself when he says that "our first reaction is to assume that [design elements are] there for a reason". No, your first realization was that Abdul was a poor designer, but because of his bullying personality and his scheming, he managed to convince you to build the game as-is per his instructions. That's what happens when you go from being a shoe salesman to directing a game you didn't play, isn't it?

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              #21
              matthe88 postete
              #13
              Glaube ich nicht:D DotA 2 = DotA in besserer Grafik und besserer Engine... hängt beides eh zusammen.

              Ich werde dafür auch 50 Euro ausgeben xD
              wie css!!!!!!

              ich warte erstmal ab was die ersten gameplaytrailer so zeigen. hon wird wohl um einiges weiter sein.

              Wie die haben echt die source engine genommen? :D bb dota 2 :D

              und ja kein spiel mit der engine war esportstauglich :]

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                #22
                naja. da soll es ja so ein system wie beim lol geben wo man so scheiße kaufen kann. spricht mich irgendwie nicht an. hätten sie es einfach mal bei einer map gelassen mit vielleicht nen map editor aber vavle muss es ja wieder verkacken.

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                  #23
                  ich warte da auch lieber erstmal ab. wohl starten die echt mit 100 heros am anfang und werden wohl nicht auf die 200 gehen. kann mir auch nicht vorstellen das die da später auch groß was ändern werden in sachen patchen. auch hört sich dieser bot der für einen spielt wenn man disc schon naja an wenn man es nicht abschalten kann. ma gucken ob er überhaut vorteile gibt.

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                    #24
                    Wenn das Spiel hält, was die Bilder an Erwartungen wegen, dann bin ich der erste der mit HoN aufhört und DotA 2 anfängt :)

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                      #25
                      DotA in SC2 > DotA 2 :)

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                        #26
                        ich denke die HoN community ist nicht so eingefahren wie die von Dota und wird mMn Dota 2 eher ne Chance geben, als die alten Dota Meckerfritzen :P

                        wenn Dota 2 wirklich besser wird als HoN werd ich auch wechseln, aber im Moment bin ich recht zufrieden vom Spielgefühl her und den Komfort-Features...
                        was Valve auf jedenfall S2 nachmachen muss ist die Sache mit den Server, d.h. keiner (außer S2) hat auf die Daten zugriff und kann sie manipulieren ala CS....

                        Dota in SC2 wird es glaub kaum geben... wer will den sowas entwickeln? die spieler sind doch alle auf die verschiedenen Spiele verteilt....

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                          #27
                          DoTA for Starcraft 2
                          Blizzard just announced DoTA for Starcraft 2. I know it's a WoW website but hey! DoTA!

                          * The map will be playable at Blizzcon.
                          * The map will be released for free, if you're wondering.

                          von mmo-champion.com

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                            #28
                            Dota in SC2 wird es glaub kaum geben... wer will den sowas entwickeln? die spieler sind doch alle auf die verschiedenen Spiele verteilt....
                            :D hat blizz doch bei der eröffnung gesagt. Dota in sc2 als eine von 4 costum maps von blizz 4 free.

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                              #29
                              ohh... hab ich gar nicht mitbekommen.... bin ich mal gespannt.... auf der mainstage kommt ja grad was zu custom maps...

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                                #30
                                Blizz hat grade gesagt das sie das DotA wie jedes andere Spiel supporten wollen!!! wichtige info

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